WRGPT 2007

[lnr]

Note to self, betting the pot as an advance bet is dangerous, and might accidentally send you all-in if someone raises in-between, wait and see what other people bet first.

! History of this hand:
! 12/05/07 08:06:06! Dealing a new hand
! 12/05/07 08:06:06! No ante
! 12/05/07 08:06:06! Aaron Davidson blinds $200
! 12/05/07 08:06:06! Bert blinds $400
! 12/05/07 08:09:10! Bob Bolt folds
! 12/05/07 08:11:49! Eleanor Blair raises $1000
! 12/05/07 08:49:55! Pooperb folds
! 12/05/07 13:58:31! kilodalton calls
! 12/05/07 13:58:31! David Notkin folds
! 12/05/07 15:30:11! Woody Myers folds
! 12/05/07 15:30:11! Potts folds
! 12/05/07 18:13:49! ainodys11 calls
! 12/06/07 01:47:34! Aaron Davidson raises $6000
! 12/06/07 08:00:03! Bert folds
! 12/06/07 08:00:03! Eleanor Blair raises $14150 and is all in
! 12/06/07 14:30:39! kilodalton raises $24900 and is all in
! 12/06/07 17:18:25! ainodys11 folds
! 12/07/07 01:59:20! Aaron Davidson calls - side pot

! 12/07/07 01:59:20! Pot right ($109650), flopping/dealing/drawing cards
! 12/07/07 01:59:20! 3 players, 3 all in
! 12/07/07 01:59:20! Flopped cards: 6h 2h 6c
! 12/07/07 01:59:20! Flopped card: 8s
! 12/07/07 01:59:20! Flopped card: 7h
! Hand over, current board is:  6h 2h 6c 8s 7h
! Aaron Davidson           has: Ah Ac
! Eleanor Blair            has: Ks Kh
! kilodalton               has: As Qd
! Pot 1: uncalled $6600 returned to kilodalton
! Pot 2: Aaron Davidson wins $36600 with Two Pair (A A 6 6 8)
! Pot 3: Aaron Davidson wins $66450 with Two Pair (A A 6 6 8)
+-+----------------------------+--------+--------+------+----+--------+
|#|   Name                     |Bankroll| Action |Status|Pot#|Pot Size|
+-+----------------------------+--------+--------+------+----+--------+
 1|   ainodys11                |  37700 |        |      |    |        |
 2|D> Aaron Davidson           | 103050 |        |      |    |        |
 3|   Bert                     |  20550 |        |      |    |        |
 4|   Bob Bolt                 |  21650 |        |      |    |        |
 6|   Pooperb                  |  14000 |        |      |    |        |
 7|   kilodalton               |   6600 |        |      |    |        |
 8|   David Notkin             |  68400 |        |      |    |        |
 9|   Woody Myers              |  18900 |        |      |    |        |
10|   Potts                    |  22500 |        |      |    |        |
+-+----------------------------+--------+--------+------+----+--------+
! Eleanor Blair is eliminated!
! 963 players left in the tournament, 0 tables down to six players
! A new hand will be dealt shortly

Edit: Ooops, typo in subject fixed.

Comments

[bopeepsheep.livejournal.com]

I went out a few days ago. *mutter grumble blinkin' stealth Ks* But I had the option of backing out two bets before the showdown and failed to take it.

Amusingly (well, slightly), imc had given me a list of cards that might be 'safe' draws for the last card, given that I'd decided to go for it. The card that emerged was the first one on his list, so of course I leant back and relaxed... Doh!

[simont]

What is WGRPT? I tried googling it, but all I found was pages which assumed I already knew what it stood for. Oh, and Google asked if I meant EGYPT :-) It's presumably Wsomething Gsomething Rsomething Poker Tournament, but that's all I can guess.

That $14150 you just lost was in virtual game dollars, right?

(Also, I think this is the first I'd heard of you being into poker at all, let alone into it enough to compete in any kind of tournament. Have I been failing to pay attention, or have you not been talking about it much?)

[bopeepsheep.livejournal.com]

World rec.gambling Poker Tournament. Yes, all virtual money (which made me a bit wistful when I was in the top ten for a while last year with something like 300K).

[simont]

Aaah! Yes, if I google it with the G and R the right way round I get the answer immediately. That makes more sense :-)

[k425.livejournal.com]

This year I have been playing rather tighter than usual. Not only am I still in, I have more money than I started with. I am pleased.

[lnr]

Ooops, sorry, fixed.

And no, it was actually $21550 in virtual game dollars. $400 to call, $1000 raise, $6000 to call, $14150 raise.

I've not talked about it at all no, played a bit on facebook, then at partypoker.com, and then thought I'd give this tournament a go, since a lot of the uk.misc lot do. Was doing OK really until now :-)

I'd not have deliberately gone all-in on those kings though, since there is indeed always the possibility the other guy has two aces. I presume the chap with AQ was relying on the fact he'd still have money even if he lost though.

[lnr]

*grin* so did I until now!

[oldbloke.livejournal.com]

I can't hit a flop this year. Down to half my starting stack.
On the same table as Willy Eckerslyke now. He's got slightly above starting stack. About 3 other people there are from the old IRC poker (http://games.cs.ualberta.ca/poker/IRC/) days, which were great fun.

[cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com]

I know how to play poker *in theory*. Or rather, I think I know the rules, but not the tactics, nor the user interface for this game.

Is "in advance" is like a bid in ebay, you specify your bid while other people are still betting, to speed things up, and it calculates what it actually is? But in this case, he bet big *too* and that accidentally meant more money than you have.

What would the thing to do have been? To call 6k? Or make an intermediate raise? But the others were willing to push; would you have had to fold pre-flop? Presumably if you bet another 6k and were *nearly* all in, it's worth their betting just that little bit more to make you all in anyway?

[cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com]

Sorry, not to mug you immediately and ask you complicated questions, I'm just curious, I've not really tried poker, but know enough to like to understand :)

[lnr]

There are several sorts of bets you can make in advance, which you do by emailing them in straight away rather than waiting for your turn. In a game played by email this is useful for speeding things up, and sometimes you know you eg have completely rubbish cards and just want to fold no matter what happens.

In this case the bet I made is called "pot". Which means that if it gets round to my turn to bet and no-one else has bet in this round then I'll bet the amount that's currently in the pot. But if someone else has already bet then I'll *raise* the amount that's currently in the pot. In this case because someone else had already raised $6000 I had to put in $6000 first and then look at how much is in the pot and put all that in too. This was more money than I had so I went all-in.

If I hadn't done the advance bet I'm not sure what I would have done. I suspect I'd have called $6000 in order to see the flop, and then I might have got very nervous that one of the others had a 6, or the aces, or even a pair of 2s and folded. Or decided to risk it anyway :-) It's possible if I raised after the flop even the guy with the aces might have thought I had 3 of a kind or full house and dropped out or just checked rather than raising more.

On balance I think that given I've only really bid in one other hand so far I'd probably have folded rather than gone all-in.

[imc.livejournal.com]

I can't hit a flop this year

Me neither. Not least because we haven't even finished one hand since the redraw yet. I folded a 98o because not enough people came in before me; now still waiting for someone to call or fold a miserable 1000 raise with a flop of J965 with two hearts in it.

[imc.livejournal.com]

Ouch, poor you. Sucks to be outclassed with AA when you have such a good hand. (A while back I thought I was on to a winner with JJ and lost a huge packet to someone with AK, but I think I managed to avoid being eliminated that time.)

POT is not a command I've ever used. For advance betting, MAKE is much safer. :-)

I'm confused, though: you'd already posted a raise on that round, so if you weren't expecting it to be raised again then why did you send an advance bet?

[imc.livejournal.com]

Yes, sorry about that. I hadn't spotted the potential straight when I started typing, and by the time I finished typing you had already called. Of all the "safe" draws, the A was always going to be the worst, so of course that's the one that turned up.

[cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com]

Ah, thank you! The layout made me think it was IRC-based or similar, email makes more sense.

But didn't kilodalton go all-in after you, wouldn't he have done that anyway if you'd called? If so, you'd have had to decide pre-flop, when your odds still look nice-ish?

[jiggery-pokery.livejournal.com]

FWIW, I'd have done totally the same thing as you - except that I deliberately would have JAMmed. :-D

KK v AA - you really can't legislate for that sort of thing. Heck, even if you hadn't put it all in pre-flop, it would have been a hell of a fold to put it down on the flop, guessing that an opponent might have had A6, 22, or, at a real stretch, the other two 6s. (You can't imagine someone playing A2 like that, for instance.)

[damerell.livejournal.com]

That was unfortunate, although depending on what you knew of his play you might have just been cut up in the subsequent rounds. Did this game really take 2 days?

[oldbloke.livejournal.com]

I've played hands in this thing that took 6 days. The whole tournament (about 1,000 starters this year) takes about 10 months. It kind of pre-dates an effective world wide web.

Now, imagine if we could get Todd to resurrect the IRC poker server just for one big tournament...

[damerell.livejournal.com]

Ah, yes, I see the explanation of what an WRGPT is above. I'll stick to Puzzle Pirates poker for now. :-)

[damerell.livejournal.com]

What's the limit structure here?

[lnr]

Looking back it looks like I made the second pot bet after the guy raised $6000 - I obviously just didn't do the maths and was feeling over-confident!

[lnr]

No limit. And I didn't know much of his play, because we've only just hit round two and it's a new table. Perhaps I should have paid more attention to what went on in the couple of hands I immediately folded though. I think the slow play rather gets to me, I'm not used to it.

[lnr]

He might have just called or made a smaller raise, you never can tell.

[damerell.livejournal.com]

On the other hand KK against AA is always likely to end in tears.