Not the dialect meme

[lnr]

[Poll #1164580]

Edit: Others so far: teacake, breadcake, farl, barmcake, batch, stottie, flour cake, stotty cake, kaiser.

Comments

[burkesworks.livejournal.com]

Teacakes round here; breadcakes as soon as you hit South Yorkshire, where teacakes have fruit in them.

And in Keighley, where there are weird people (as we both know!), a teacake with a fishcake in it is called a scone bopper and the green stuff sold in the chip shops is not guacamole :)

Lovely to see you again at the weekend!

[lnr]

Oh a teacake definitely has fruit in for me, and my family are all West and North Yorkshire - actually that's a lie, they lived in Doncaster for a while, that might explain it. I'd forgotten breadcake though, too long since I've heard it used.

I'm glad to see someone has not ticked "bun" though, when we first moved to Allerton Bywater the people in the local bakers didn't know what we meant when we asked for bread buns, and we didn't know what they meant when they offered scufflers!

[sbp.livejournal.com]

Of *course* teacakes have fruit in them. But then I claim Yorkshireness.

[beckyc.livejournal.com]

and the green stuff sold in the chip shops is not guacamole :)

Now, whilst I'm a Northerner and have to have mushy peas when they're on offer* with my chips, I have to say that there is other (nicer) green stuff that gets used with fish that isn't guacamole. Wasabi for instance. I can see huge scope for practical jokes.

*Even if I don't think it's particularly nice. It's traditional.

Other bread product

[lnr]

I forgot to include farl (as in soda farl).

Re: Other bread product

[beckyc.livejournal.com]

Yes, I know that one. But it's a large flat bread product that gets quartered, and not really quite the same as a roll, is it?

(Not that the others are synonymous with roll, of course, but they're ones where you eat the whole lot and aren't considered greedy for doing so ;-).)

[atommickbrane.livejournal.com]

technically obv it is a BARMCAKE.

[imc.livejournal.com]

+1

[naath.livejournal.com]

I think a bun is a cake-type thing not a bread-type thing. Then again I know some people use it for what I think of as baps. So confusing.

[keris.livejournal.com]

Batch!!!
(I had to learn that one when I moved to Cov, you ask for a chip batch not a butty)

[lnr]

I knew there were some more I was forgetting!

I wonder why so many of them begin with B?

[sphyg.livejournal.com]

From my Geordie connections, I give you 'stottie'.

[jane-somebody.livejournal.com]

Under the bread product thing, I would *use* roll or bap, but I'm also *familiar with* bun, because that's what skordh always says (I'm Southern, he's Yorkshire.) Personally, I consider bun to be a sweet cakey thing, as in iced bun or bath bun. I have also heard cob and barm used in various contexts, but not enough to say I'm familiar with them. I also ticked other because I'm sure I do know of/use other terms, but my brain is too woolly to think what they might be right now. Not teacake though - I agree with the view that that has fruit in.

[wendym.livejournal.com]

Here in the Lancashire/Cheshire/Liverpool/Manchester borders you can get your bread product called either a "barm", a "bap", or (in Greenhalgh's) a "Flour Cake". I'm not too sure if the last one is just being difficult.

Someone ought to do a map of this, handy for any travellers who need chips wrapped in bread but aren't too sure what to ask for.

[lnr]

It does sound like a good idea, but it is very localised. I reckon you can't do the Scone thing on a map though, it's not a north/south thing and it's not a posh/not-posh thing but I've never managed to work out what it actually is.

[k425.livejournal.com]

I'm damn sure I've got one but it's in a book, rather than online, and I'm blowed if I'm going to trawl through 20 linguistics text-books now! But the bread-product isogloss exists.

[sparrowsion]

The "scone" debate got quite vociferous in our circle at college, not helped by a certain gentleman of the Highlands who insisted that it should always be pronounced as in "Stone of …".

Clearly a radical, neutral solution was needed. Which was duly provided. Pronounce the "-one" of "scone" to rhyme with … "one".

[lnr]

Ah, but is that as in "swan" or as in "won"? (vowel sounds approximate here)

[atreic.livejournal.com]

I alternate fairly randomly with my scone pronunciation by now.

[ewx.livejournal.com]

I can't figure out which I'd naturally use, having been exposed to both for some time. Someone will have to catch me unawares with a scone.

[chickenfeet2003.livejournal.com]

Stotty cake
Kaiser

[lnr]

Now you've actually managed to come up with that I've never actually heard of there. Does the "kaiser" have a geographical link? I could imagine it being a German cheesy roll.

[brrm.livejournal.com]

Brötchen. Is that cheating?

[lnr]

I think I was looking for terms which are in common use _in English_, yes.

[glitterboy1.livejournal.com]

Actually, I'm not at all sure how I pronounce 'scone'. I suspect that I do both, more or less at random.

[gailsedotes.livejournal.com]

manchette - white bread roll (posh)

[chickenfeet2003.livejournal.com]

Good grief. I thought that usage disappeared in the 14th century.

[lemur-catta.livejournal.com]

Are we including terms for all small bread objects that aren't sweet, and don't have a hole or fruit inside, or only the primary regional term for the thing that is bread but too small to be a loaf?
Would the US meaning of biscuit be disqualified as a 'specialty bread product' along with scones crumpets or muffins? What about bannock?

[chickenfeet2003.livejournal.com]

Bannock is usually pretty big. I was thinking the definition was along the lines of something that might make a single serving sandwich. Does yeast have to be involved? Biscuits would count if not. I guess a bagel would fit anyway.

[ghoti.livejournal.com]

I am only recently familiar with 'barm'; my brother-in-law is from Oldham. Batch is perfectly cromulent, especially when applied around chips.

[imc.livejournal.com]

I think that when I see the word I think "sc-own" but when I see the object I think "sc-on", which is odd.